Well that's arguably the case in Only Two Parties USA, when the GQP doesn't win but squeaks in second. The better news in Germany (as elsewhere, though not nearly widespread enough) is that the democracy is profoundly more representative, not the (barely-)winner-takes-all idiocy as with the electoral colleges of our "swing states".
The main takeaway (without a fascinating deep dive, which of course I would welcome) is that Musk can only buy elections where the democratic system is brittle and corrupted.
The purging and suppression of voters by the GOP was successful. I read what I think was a legitimate article that showed statistically Harris would have won. I don’t remember if there were presumptions made about folks who didn’t vote.
I was just going to say… especially with the fantastic influence Elon has on the voting machines or whatever Trump said, I don’t doubt his influence is global
She was? It might have been nice, but against anyone but Trump she would have lost worse. She really didn't offer anything except reproductive rights, and "I'm not Trump"
She really didn’t have anything to offer? Oh no, just that she’s worked for the people her entire life. Just that she’s a successful female Attorney General, vice president of the United States. How much more can she offer? lol Hilary and her were the most qualified candidates in history.
I completely agree! Once again I’ll call our misogyny and racism as to why Kamala Harris lost! For Hillary a strong reminder that she won the popular vote. We no longer need the electoral college.
That option is long dead. Tell the people that live in states with fewer big cities that we don't need the electoral college. I don't think you will get very far. We have the electoral college and will have it for a long, long time... if we even get to have elections.
When she was asked what she would change, she pretty much said she would not change anything that Biden was doing. I never heard anything about her previous record or qualifications... crickets... All I heard was "they want to take away our reproductive rights" and "I am not Trump". I voted for her only because of the latter. But that was not enough to convince people who did not abhor Trump. I hope the Democrats come up with a better strategy in 2026 (if we make it that far), or the country will be doomed.
Well, you clearly didn’t watch any of her rallies or read any of her campaign promises then. It was FAR more than reproductive rights. 1. Affordable housing 2. LGBTQ rights 3. Women’s rights 4. Yes, even went off a little from Biden when speaking of the Middle East war 5. Drug costs 6. Taking on the border and immigration (and believe it or not Biden deported more people than Trump ever has, but he did it in a humane way without making it a spectacle). 7. Stricter Gun laws and the list could go on…. and how was she completely supposed to completely go away from her own administration? That wouldn’t look very good on them. And why would she? Biden did the impossible by turning around our economy after a pandemic. Made our country safer. Of course she’s going to have her own ideas, but why would you completely stray away from a very successful administration? The issue here is that lies were louder than truths. You might have bought into that as well. Did you also think that Hilary had no platform? Because she was also robbed by that crook. Do you have any idea how internationally loved she was? Our world would be a very different place right now if she had won. Which she probably did and Harris probably did as well.
Actually yes she did. Did you read any of her campaign promises? She was going to give free childcare to moms so they could go to work. She also wanted to help first time home buyers with a credit. She wanted to give free school lunches. She protected our freedom of speech and freedom to our own bodies. She wanted to cap prescription drug costs and go after big pharma.
You ejther are being willfully ignorant, or just an ignorant troll at this point.
A VERY small percentage of the population is effected by "freedom to our own bodies"... If you are taking about abortion, what percent of people in this country would be affected by that one way or another? We have had the pill for 50 years.
Freedom of speech?...we have that. The only people I have heard complain about censorship all voted for Trump... every one of them, and only because they were speaking HATE.
And you may have heard the saying "there is no free lunch". Biden tried to rescue the dummies who drank the Koolaid about college being a guaranteed investment. That was not much different from the sub-prime mortgages years ago.
And they ran a terrible campaign... Biden had run into inflation because of too much stimulus money as we were coming out of COVID. Maybe we were starting to recover from that, but then Trump took advantage of the high price of eggs. Did you know before the election that eggs were higher because of bird flu? NO! because the Harris people let us think it was just more of Biden's inflation.
And the border was pretty much a disaster, though we do need an immigrant population. And when she was supposed to be the border "czar", she did not even go there to find out what was really going on... There may actually have been some border "policy", but noone in the administration ever explains it to us. Instead of executive orders to give money to college dropouts, maybe Biden could have made some executive orders about the border. If the border was under control, Trump could not have railriades his "people" into voting against supporting it.
But Harris just smiled her pretty smile, and told us she would do just what Biden had done, and would fight to get back our "reproductive rights", and would not be a terrible person like Trump.
It is too bad Biden did not step away sooner so that maybe, just maybe, we could have had a viable candidate. Oh, I forgot. In the debate, when Kamala spoke of her experience as Attorney General, i believe she let Trump accuse her of some sort of wrongdoing that she never did deny.
No, she didn't lose because she was a woman, or "black". She lost because she didn't give anyone any good reason to vote for her. What is more, she never even campaigned for the party nomination... she got that by default.
I just hope that by the election next year, enough people have had their lives ruined by this POS in office now that the Dems will have big wins in Congress. Unfortunately, they will not be veto-proof, or be able to impeach anyone, so they will not be able to undo the current damage. The damage is done.
She did not make anyone listen. Trump did. As Bill Veeck said, "nice guys finish last."
And she did specifically say in the debate that she wouldn't change anything Biden had done. She lost because some people had grievances against "her" previous administration, and she promised more of the same.
Because you see there's a double standard in this country. Women can't be boisterous and loud. We're out of line and bitches if we do. She tried to tell people calmly, because some people were saying she was on her period, lol. she got through to most people that are more educated. But she couldn't get through the loud, angry, hateful noise, the to the ones unless she was screaming yourself.
I didn't see if you were a guy or a girl but you're a guy
THere may be a double-standard, but both she and Hillary failed because they could not read the room.
And Kamala lost worse because she was not even the choice of the Democratic party. Biden f'ed up by withdrawing after the campaign funds were tied to him and Kamala, so we were forced to have her as our candidate. If you have one person who is popular with his party, and wins lots of primaries, and another who did not win any primary, who do you think has the advantage? It may be difficult for a woman to win an election, but it is worse when you are not even the choice of your own party.
Kamala lost by 2.7 million. 85 million people didn't vote and again, Both incredible leaders Hillary in Kamala, but women know they have to be subtle or the double standard. Do you know how smart Hilary is?? Do you know stupid trump is??
She didn't have an administration. As a mere Vice President, she didn't have any power to effect law, So you can't say her administration. She wanted the Biden constituents to know, that she would follow in that path. The trump supporters merely listened to his lies, and the lies perpetuatingby billionaires like murdoch (fox)
“Her” adnmininstratiuion was how Trump characterized it. She did not deny. And she did say she would not change anything Biden did… which played right into his hands. Check how the red side of the aisle interpreted it.
And the one thing she was entrusted with by her boss was to be in charge of the border, and she just that job on to her "minions" and otherwise ignored it... did not even visit to see for herself what was going on.
She sort of came across as entitled... wouldn't get her hands dirty.
Yes I voted for her, but I wish we had a candidate who had some chance against Trump, and I do not think her gender or racial background played much of a role at all. The people who voted against her because of either of those issues would have voted for Trump anyway.
Of course he's blaming her administration to his stupid followers. It doesn't matter what he says. She doesn't have an administration if she's vice president. It's Bidens administration. Remember he said he likes the uneducated, because you can say absolutely anything.
Proportional representation is really working for them. It probably would with the US too, if the Two-Party system (and the Supreme Court) were a lot less corrupt
Aaron, I see 👀 what you did there... calling eyeliner vance senator instead of VP. 😂 I love it. Dementia mussolini and him are both imposters.
In regards to Germany 🇩🇪 it's sad that there is such little support for the left liberal party. Why the hell people love shifting to the right? It's not worth it. The right-wing ALWAYS tends to be fascistic. They aren't for the people. It's time the world 🌎 stops voting against their own interests. It helps no one. Having said that, I guess the German people picked the lesser of the two evils. In my opinion. 🤷🏽♀️
It's a worldwide trend we're seeing. People are fed up with the government, which actually means "the rich & have it alls" , and being poor, amd not getting good healthcare, schoolsystems
etc. and this is the choice they make out of desperation. Just awful.
Joyce you are right. Based on what is happening here, I hope people learn only the rich are benefiting. I have read the bills that GOP Congress are currently writing. Disgusting. All of them are for power & to get more money.
I really think 'shadow governments' are a thing you know. And with all this going on the rift just keeps getting bigger and bigger and people, not knowing better and/or on who to vote then, will vote something bad out of sheer desperation for change. Not realising it will be even worse
IMHO 2nd place is still much too high.
Germany had over a million people in their peaceful protest, I believe I posted the video on my sub
I’M WITH YOU ON THAT.
Well that's arguably the case in Only Two Parties USA, when the GQP doesn't win but squeaks in second. The better news in Germany (as elsewhere, though not nearly widespread enough) is that the democracy is profoundly more representative, not the (barely-)winner-takes-all idiocy as with the electoral colleges of our "swing states".
The main takeaway (without a fascinating deep dive, which of course I would welcome) is that Musk can only buy elections where the democratic system is brittle and corrupted.
It’s insane that they’re coming in at ANY place!!! What is WRONG with these people? I’m so f’ing tired of the hate.
Exactly
Harris was supposed to win too
The purging and suppression of voters by the GOP was successful. I read what I think was a legitimate article that showed statistically Harris would have won. I don’t remember if there were presumptions made about folks who didn’t vote.
I was just going to say… especially with the fantastic influence Elon has on the voting machines or whatever Trump said, I don’t doubt his influence is global
She was? It might have been nice, but against anyone but Trump she would have lost worse. She really didn't offer anything except reproductive rights, and "I'm not Trump"
She really didn’t have anything to offer? Oh no, just that she’s worked for the people her entire life. Just that she’s a successful female Attorney General, vice president of the United States. How much more can she offer? lol Hilary and her were the most qualified candidates in history.
I completely agree! Once again I’ll call our misogyny and racism as to why Kamala Harris lost! For Hillary a strong reminder that she won the popular vote. We no longer need the electoral college.
That option is long dead. Tell the people that live in states with fewer big cities that we don't need the electoral college. I don't think you will get very far. We have the electoral college and will have it for a long, long time... if we even get to have elections.
They may have been the most qualified to be president, but they both failed at campaigning 101. Trump played both of them for fools.
When she was asked what she would change, she pretty much said she would not change anything that Biden was doing. I never heard anything about her previous record or qualifications... crickets... All I heard was "they want to take away our reproductive rights" and "I am not Trump". I voted for her only because of the latter. But that was not enough to convince people who did not abhor Trump. I hope the Democrats come up with a better strategy in 2026 (if we make it that far), or the country will be doomed.
Well, you clearly didn’t watch any of her rallies or read any of her campaign promises then. It was FAR more than reproductive rights. 1. Affordable housing 2. LGBTQ rights 3. Women’s rights 4. Yes, even went off a little from Biden when speaking of the Middle East war 5. Drug costs 6. Taking on the border and immigration (and believe it or not Biden deported more people than Trump ever has, but he did it in a humane way without making it a spectacle). 7. Stricter Gun laws and the list could go on…. and how was she completely supposed to completely go away from her own administration? That wouldn’t look very good on them. And why would she? Biden did the impossible by turning around our economy after a pandemic. Made our country safer. Of course she’s going to have her own ideas, but why would you completely stray away from a very successful administration? The issue here is that lies were louder than truths. You might have bought into that as well. Did you also think that Hilary had no platform? Because she was also robbed by that crook. Do you have any idea how internationally loved she was? Our world would be a very different place right now if she had won. Which she probably did and Harris probably did as well.
Actually yes she did. Did you read any of her campaign promises? She was going to give free childcare to moms so they could go to work. She also wanted to help first time home buyers with a credit. She wanted to give free school lunches. She protected our freedom of speech and freedom to our own bodies. She wanted to cap prescription drug costs and go after big pharma.
You ejther are being willfully ignorant, or just an ignorant troll at this point.
You can't convince people that have been brainwashed or people that are racist.
A VERY small percentage of the population is effected by "freedom to our own bodies"... If you are taking about abortion, what percent of people in this country would be affected by that one way or another? We have had the pill for 50 years.
Freedom of speech?...we have that. The only people I have heard complain about censorship all voted for Trump... every one of them, and only because they were speaking HATE.
And you may have heard the saying "there is no free lunch". Biden tried to rescue the dummies who drank the Koolaid about college being a guaranteed investment. That was not much different from the sub-prime mortgages years ago.
And they ran a terrible campaign... Biden had run into inflation because of too much stimulus money as we were coming out of COVID. Maybe we were starting to recover from that, but then Trump took advantage of the high price of eggs. Did you know before the election that eggs were higher because of bird flu? NO! because the Harris people let us think it was just more of Biden's inflation.
And the border was pretty much a disaster, though we do need an immigrant population. And when she was supposed to be the border "czar", she did not even go there to find out what was really going on... There may actually have been some border "policy", but noone in the administration ever explains it to us. Instead of executive orders to give money to college dropouts, maybe Biden could have made some executive orders about the border. If the border was under control, Trump could not have railriades his "people" into voting against supporting it.
But Harris just smiled her pretty smile, and told us she would do just what Biden had done, and would fight to get back our "reproductive rights", and would not be a terrible person like Trump.
It is too bad Biden did not step away sooner so that maybe, just maybe, we could have had a viable candidate. Oh, I forgot. In the debate, when Kamala spoke of her experience as Attorney General, i believe she let Trump accuse her of some sort of wrongdoing that she never did deny.
No, she didn't lose because she was a woman, or "black". She lost because she didn't give anyone any good reason to vote for her. What is more, she never even campaigned for the party nomination... she got that by default.
I just hope that by the election next year, enough people have had their lives ruined by this POS in office now that the Dems will have big wins in Congress. Unfortunately, they will not be veto-proof, or be able to impeach anyone, so they will not be able to undo the current damage. The damage is done.
If you think that's all she stood up for then you didn't listen
She did not make anyone listen. Trump did. As Bill Veeck said, "nice guys finish last."
And she did specifically say in the debate that she wouldn't change anything Biden had done. She lost because some people had grievances against "her" previous administration, and she promised more of the same.
Because you see there's a double standard in this country. Women can't be boisterous and loud. We're out of line and bitches if we do. She tried to tell people calmly, because some people were saying she was on her period, lol. she got through to most people that are more educated. But she couldn't get through the loud, angry, hateful noise, the to the ones unless she was screaming yourself.
I didn't see if you were a guy or a girl but you're a guy
THere may be a double-standard, but both she and Hillary failed because they could not read the room.
And Kamala lost worse because she was not even the choice of the Democratic party. Biden f'ed up by withdrawing after the campaign funds were tied to him and Kamala, so we were forced to have her as our candidate. If you have one person who is popular with his party, and wins lots of primaries, and another who did not win any primary, who do you think has the advantage? It may be difficult for a woman to win an election, but it is worse when you are not even the choice of your own party.
Kamala lost by 2.7 million. 85 million people didn't vote and again, Both incredible leaders Hillary in Kamala, but women know they have to be subtle or the double standard. Do you know how smart Hilary is?? Do you know stupid trump is??
She didn't have an administration. As a mere Vice President, she didn't have any power to effect law, So you can't say her administration. She wanted the Biden constituents to know, that she would follow in that path. The trump supporters merely listened to his lies, and the lies perpetuatingby billionaires like murdoch (fox)
“Her” adnmininstratiuion was how Trump characterized it. She did not deny. And she did say she would not change anything Biden did… which played right into his hands. Check how the red side of the aisle interpreted it.
And the one thing she was entrusted with by her boss was to be in charge of the border, and she just that job on to her "minions" and otherwise ignored it... did not even visit to see for herself what was going on.
She sort of came across as entitled... wouldn't get her hands dirty.
Yes I voted for her, but I wish we had a candidate who had some chance against Trump, and I do not think her gender or racial background played much of a role at all. The people who voted against her because of either of those issues would have voted for Trump anyway.
Of course he's blaming her administration to his stupid followers. It doesn't matter what he says. She doesn't have an administration if she's vice president. It's Bidens administration. Remember he said he likes the uneducated, because you can say absolutely anything.
Sid, you spelled Nazi wrong
???
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
Huh?
Second place is too close
JD and is going to join the orange fascist and apartheid f**k in jail when the American people take back control of the Government.
Now Germany and all of Europe and UK should ban Tesla and twitter.
Thank you baby Jesus, now Germany get to work-so you don’t turn out like America
Proportional representation is really working for them. It probably would with the US too, if the Two-Party system (and the Supreme Court) were a lot less corrupt
Sad that they are so popular
That’s still too close. They need to keep working until that party no longer exists.
Aaron, I see 👀 what you did there... calling eyeliner vance senator instead of VP. 😂 I love it. Dementia mussolini and him are both imposters.
In regards to Germany 🇩🇪 it's sad that there is such little support for the left liberal party. Why the hell people love shifting to the right? It's not worth it. The right-wing ALWAYS tends to be fascistic. They aren't for the people. It's time the world 🌎 stops voting against their own interests. It helps no one. Having said that, I guess the German people picked the lesser of the two evils. In my opinion. 🤷🏽♀️
I read that too and I was like was that a mistake or just being chaotic good? 😹😹
This is a victory for Americans too if the AFD does not succeed. 🙏
Let’s see if he was able to manipulate the tabulations. We will see.
Second place is bad enough😒
It's a worldwide trend we're seeing. People are fed up with the government, which actually means "the rich & have it alls" , and being poor, amd not getting good healthcare, schoolsystems
etc. and this is the choice they make out of desperation. Just awful.
They don't know what they're doing...
Joyce you are right. Based on what is happening here, I hope people learn only the rich are benefiting. I have read the bills that GOP Congress are currently writing. Disgusting. All of them are for power & to get more money.
Yeah
I really think 'shadow governments' are a thing you know. And with all this going on the rift just keeps getting bigger and bigger and people, not knowing better and/or on who to vote then, will vote something bad out of sheer desperation for change. Not realising it will be even worse
What? He couldn't buy this election?
Oh Thank God. There's hope for Germany!
Our polls were showing Harris as favorable to win. I am not confident or comfortable yet.
What if their voting is compromised like ours was? It may not matter where they are in the polls.
Bingo. Musk didn't have a way to interfere with the voting machine software like the U.S. nor Bomb threats.