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Kathleen Winkelbauer's avatar

Marines need to follow the constitution, NOT the president of the US

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visy's avatar

fascists dont care for laws

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MJoT's avatar
Jun 8Edited

hope to god the Marines aren't all Fascists and hold to Oath to Constitution - not this dictator

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Black Raven's avatar

Unfortunately a lot of them are. They've been infiltrated.

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Maryann Zdralek's avatar

I think this whole thing was staged to insight violence! Felon 47 hates California and he hates Newsom! Newsom just threatened to cut federal funding. And we can’t for get the ONE 16 year old trans athlete that just competed in a school competition! I live very close to LA and I was very disappointed that the LA Sheriff’s Department was also deployed to protect ICE agents. That’s exactly what Sheriff Luna said on the news last night! Why does Luna think that the sheriffs department needs to protect heavily harmed ICE agents? The violence was started by ICE!They were the ones using rubber bullets, flash bang devices and tear gas! Trump has declared war on California! 🤬! Time to rise up California 💙✊🏻💙!

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Melissa Donnelly's avatar

This immediately came about after Musk stated Trump was in the Epstein files. TACO wants that out of the news cycle & forgotten.

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Linda's avatar

"Distraction" is his second most used strategy.

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Jennifer Appel's avatar

We NEVER forget!!

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Cynthia A. Williams's avatar

Yes! No coincidence that he is testing the water with his troops deployed against protesters in CA, using the illegal immigrant lie as red meat to his mad dog MAGATS, WHO, LIKE HIM, HATE CA, They want revenge for CA being, in their ignorant eyes, a hotbed of radical left wokism. Nothing Shiter does to that state will bother them in the least. Just imagine if Biden threatened them with soldiers where they live! JHC. I hope Gov. Newsom makes good on his threat. He must not cave under any circumstances!!! ANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Amy2025's avatar

I think you’re right. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8MG5x5F/

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Jennifer Appel's avatar

Exactly.

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jonquist1's avatar

Good luck with that.

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Sylvia Rivers's avatar

They will! This is fear mongering and it is not needed at this time.

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Sassy's avatar

This right here..

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Jennifer's avatar

I pray to God they do. The national guard should be also!!!

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Catherine Sarah Brinton's avatar

Isn’t that illegal? The national guard can be deployed but not the military.

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Paula Harvey Warren's avatar

They’ve been waiting for this exact opportunity!

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Jasmine Lobe's avatar

They have. Probably for all the cities. I’m in NYC. Godspeed LA. We all need to be brave for our beloved country and freedom.

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Johnny Canuck's avatar

They set it up as an excuse and people are napping while the country is stolen from the citizens

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Kate's avatar
Jun 8Edited

Yes.. they have been waiting- that’s why he is having a parade It’s not to celebrate anything except making him King Donald the tanks are rolling in on a huge train spotted in ? Va ? I think, earlier today.. he is creating a crises so he can call it insurrection and thin out the population a bit..

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Lea Menzies's avatar

I watched a small part of those Military Tanks coming in. There are a lot we need to keep watch 💯

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Jennifer Appel's avatar

And the needed repair to the roads will increase our debt more!!

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Kate's avatar

Exactly!

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Paula Harvey Warren's avatar

That and more!

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mnakloon's avatar

Exactly

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Nancy Schmidt's avatar

Yes they have!!

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Aviana NW's avatar

Nothing they’re doing is legal - but who/what can stop them?

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Beth Churchill's avatar

We the people have to. I feared this. I thought it would happen June 14th. I will fight and keep fighting with every thing in me. I also believe many Marines will stand down. Their oath is to the Constitution. Not the draft dodging SOB Trump.

My father was on helicopter 1 for JFK and Jackie. Yes Marine for those who don't know. He did two tours in Viet Nam. STAND DOWN SOLDIER STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.

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ZU's avatar

NEVER SURRENDER 🇺🇸🙏!

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Jennifer Appel's avatar

Bless your Dad for his service.

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Lea Menzies's avatar

I have a Sunken feeling that next Saturday the 14th WE are all going to have to be Careful 💯

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S. A. Linden's avatar

The tactic is intimidation. SOP w/ fascists. I called both my GOP US senators today, LIVID and demanding that they call for removing the masks from the ICE muggers.

I'm sure the staff could hear the emotion and fury in my voice!

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KAY MARTIN's avatar

Maybe the DOD has to STAND DOWN..and back the people 🤔

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Sherry A Watt's avatar

'WE THE PEOPLE' knew this would happen when people decided to swarm the streets and get in the way of ICE detainments. Why couldn't these dumbasses stand on the sidewalk & do their protesting instead of impeding the task at hand? This was not 'peaceful protesting'; this was 'rioting', and this was not supposed to happen. This is exactly what the felon wants & they're giving it to him with a fucking bow attached!!!! No one is going to stop what is happening; the felon gave the order; stay the fuck out of the way and use the courts to fight back. Once they federalize the National Guard, it's over for all of us. No protest will be allowed. Then, the curfews begin. Why do people go off emotionally half-cocked?? This does no one any good. 'WE THE PEOPLE' are all angry about the cruelty, however, we must act in a civilized manner to 'NOT' bring the military forces against us.

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Aviana NW's avatar

Any chance those getting violent were planted from the fed side to instigate violence? In the peaceful protests I’ve been to there were sometimes MAGAts trying to instigate trouble - we mostly ignored them, although some tried to talk to them. They were loud & in-your-face obnoxious. I don’t know about the LA locations - the hostile, provocative actions of ICE are so repulsive, I imagine it can push some people to their limits.

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Sherry A Watt's avatar

Do not put yourself in their way, PERIOD, and you will not have to experience them being 'in your face'. The trick is to not allow them to push you to your limit; if they are aggressive and 'in your face', back away & be sure you are filming. Watching the clips, protesters were running up on the agents, getting in the agents' faces, yelling, blocking vehicles from moving, blocking entrances, etc. It was ridiculous to watch. This is not the correct way to peacefully protest. I don't care how angry you are; all that does is cause them to retaliate against you.

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Rita-Marie Auble's avatar

In their face? They are kidnapping people! You are very naive if you think this can change peacefully. Put yourself in the way. You think they care, they are zip tying children.

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Sherry A Watt's avatar

Do you, and you will end up shipped off right with them. I will not put myself in their way to be 'DISAPPEARED'. That's your prerogative. FAFO, you won't be the first.

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Lea Menzies's avatar

I understand what your saying about Kidnapping but Violence will NOT Stop that. They are Blaming US and with some of these Protesters they showed Anger.

Please Stop that we need Peace here stand in Front of them but don't use Punches or Fists just Stand your Ground 💯

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Faewyn Anore's avatar

What you're describing is obeying in advance and that doesn't work either. "Exactly what Trump wants" is for people to not do anything and stand meekly by pointing their phone at them doing illegal shit and then write some luke warm news articles about it.

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Sherry A Watt's avatar

Obeying in advance is doing nothing at all. Peaceful protesting is not 'OBEYING IN ADVANCE'. Getting in their faces is not 'PEACEFUL PROTESTING', it's instigating. Throwing yourself in front of vehicles & blocking doors, is instigating violence; it's causing them to have to touch you and move you out of the way in do their job. Showing the world what they're cruelly doing while you are out there 'peacefully protesting', is not, 'OBEYING IN ADVANCE'.

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Beth Churchill's avatar

I am probably a lot older than you. Trump overreacted and overreacted. He still denies he started the January 6 th insurrectionists. According to my resources some idiots in Compton started being violent. The peaceful protesters had gone. Dispersed when told. In LA ICE started with tear gas and flash bangs. But what was going on in both these places was nothing LAPD couldn't handle.

This is where my age comes in....you should have seen the Rodney King riots of 1992. Places all over LA were burnt looted. People beating the bloody hell out of each other. We needed the National Guard then. They were requested then.

These protests now are like people shooting a BB gun at targets. And DfT sent a unrequested Howlitzer.

Don't get me wrong if you stop being peaceful or step in front of a vehicle be prepared to be arrested. Go with your eyes wide open.

I will go with part of the quote from Congressman and Activist Lewis

TIME FOR SOME"GOOD TROUBLE"

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Jennifer Appel's avatar

Would call it a riot, but need to defuse it.

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Sylvia Rivers's avatar

Don’t be afraid. This will never happen and if it does, we as a Nation deserve it for not fighting back. It is up to WE THE PEOPLE.

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Brenda Hillman's avatar

Of course it’s illegal. Military can refuse to do this— lay down your arms, as Green Day says

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Elizabeth J. Sampson's avatar

I don’t know — Trump the Lump is still Commander and Chief. So they may HAVE to obey him. I’d appreciate hearing clarification from a military person.

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Faewyn Anore's avatar

They actually do not have to obey him. We have laws for exactly this. They have to obey the constitution and their morals - "just following orders" is what the nazis did and we made laws so our guys could never stand behind that pathetic defense.

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Lea Menzies's avatar

The Vets that I've talked to and were very disappointed with claim they'd stand behind him 😔

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KingRayVet's avatar

No they don't. I'm a veteran and you can disobey unlawful orders according to the Constitution & Military Law. There is a military code about this, but it's been so long, I've forgotten the code. Also, people saying the National Guard isn't the military ... yes it is. It's just another branch. Interesting how folks don't know what the military is made of.

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Elizabeth J. Sampson's avatar

Thank you for clarifying!

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KingRayVet's avatar

You're welcome. It's UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) Articles 90-92. Military law isn't the same as civilian law. It's much stricter. Our military protects civilians during invasion or war. It's not supposed to dominate them; especially on our own soil, our own people. Chump/Hegseth are liars and doing many illegal things.

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Sylvia Rivers's avatar

If that is what you think then martial law SHOULD be declared. Never fear, it will never happen. Felon 47 is about to find out he is not that powerful.

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Sylvia Rivers's avatar

100% people are so into conspiracy theories and do not know their constitution.

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Michelle Bowman's avatar

Does he follow any law?

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Adam Stoler's avatar

no

but we will

moral law too

vietnam

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Sally davis's avatar

WTF ??

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Linda's avatar

No

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KAY MARTIN's avatar

Only "TRUMPS LAW "

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Kate's avatar

Doubt it..

He not doesn’t even follow those in his favorite book - the upside down Bible…😢. If he followed those 10, none of this would be occurring.

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Lee Johnson's avatar

I hope that it bites trump and the Repugs in the ass and they lose everything this year and beyond, and the idiots who indulge in purity politics instead of forming coalitions and those so deluded that they refused to vote, I hope that those idiots finally realize their infernal mistake and spend the rest of this year and the next undoing the mess that they helped create!!

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Raum Sandoval's avatar

Who gon stop them?

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Katy's avatar

This is exactly what they’re betting on. He is starting a war in the United States using the military against the citizens.

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mnakloon's avatar

Yep, exactly. It was the plan all along

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Myrna Watanabe's avatar

He will declare Martial Law. That's been in the plan.

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ZU's avatar

Right! That's the next step. Like Orban did in Hungary. DICTATORSHIP THROUGH MARTIAL LAW⚠️

Every SOLDIER SEAL MARINES ARMY, STAND UP AGAINST THE DESTRUCTION OF DEMOCRACY AND CONSTITUTION IN AMERICA🇺🇸🚨

The world is watching you

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Elizabeth J. Sampson's avatar

Well then we are just going to have to do what the South Koreans did for the same exact problem- Throw the bum out!!

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Cynthia A. Williams's avatar

We don't have the collective will or courage to do what the South Koreans did. Too many self-deluded cowards, as you can see by reading some of these posts.

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

Trump wanted the military to shoot BLM protestors in 2020 but General Miley refused Trump's orders.

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Jill's avatar

WE, THE FUCKING PEOPLE!!! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY! FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, GODDAMN IT!!!

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T. Seagull's avatar

That’s why we need grassroots organizing and a collective, “No, we won’t let you” response And quickly

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Muscmakermama's avatar

VERY quickly!!

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ZU's avatar

Never Surrender 🇺🇸

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Marty's avatar

America.

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Barry G. Hall's avatar

In 1957 or 58 Persident Eisenhower deployed the 82nd Airborne to enforce the court ordered integration of Little Rock high school. The governer, Orville Faubus opposed and tried to pervent the five little girls from entering the school. The public vehemently opposed the integration. I, at age 15, cheered on the soldiers who DID let those girls in.

I loathe Trump and his minions. I hate what ICE is doing in LA and elsewhere. Yet, I cannot see the difference between Eisenhower then and Trump now in terms of legitimacy and legality of sending in the military.

So let us not call this unprecedented, as some news commentators just did. Call it loathesome. Call it tone deaf. Call it stupid. Loathsomely, stupidly legal.

👎👎🤮🖕🤮👎🖕🤮😃🫨💩💩🌮🌮🌮🌮 to Trump.

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T. Seagull's avatar

Only legal if certain criteria are met. California hasn’t met the criteria.

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Faewyn Anore's avatar

It's not legal though.

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Catherine Sarah Brinton's avatar

It’s not allowed by the Posse Comitatus Act apparently but you can use the military if they meet certain criteria like invoking the insurrection Act

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KAY MARTIN's avatar

Trump doesn't follow the law. He makes it up as he goes

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Pat Burke's avatar

Military was used once, I think. - to enforce school desegregation in one state when the local authorities and governor refused to follow the law.

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Elizabeth J. Sampson's avatar

Yes Catherine, it’s illegal. It’s illegal for a POTUS to use the military against the American people. It’s illegal as hell. Ask any judge.

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Kimberly Stovall's avatar

Do any of these assholes seem like they care about the rule of law?

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Sarabeth's avatar

Who will stop him?

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Louise Caron's avatar

Well they don’t follow the rules so don’t be surprised if it happens

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Sylvia Rivers's avatar

If governors agree to allow the president to utilize the national guard they can, but any other military branch is illegal and they will never do it.

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Sarita Baker-Brown's avatar

Yes!

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Carmen  Garcia's avatar

The military needs to remember their oath.

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Jennifer Corey's avatar

The start of Marshall Law … we need help

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Brenda Wallingford's avatar

Yup

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vcragain's avatar

MARTIAL LAW - MARTIAL not marshall !!!!!

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Jennifer Corey's avatar

Spell check is your biggest concern?? 🤦‍♀️

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Cynthia A. Williams's avatar

He's sick and tired of these same spelling mistakes that affect the meaning of what is being said, goddamnit, and so are a lot of us!

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Gutterdandy's avatar

Help isn’t coming. Americans will have to defend themselves. All the USA’s traditional allies like Canada have been threatened and now want nothing to do with this place. Who can blame them?

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Jennifer Corey's avatar

I can’t blame them. We need OUR military to step up and defend the constitution NOT the clown in the White House.

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Trishatur's avatar

How long before Trump declares martial law and orders the army to fire on US Citizens and residents.

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Charles's avatar

Remember Kent State!

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Darlene Cannon's avatar

I do, but it seems most do not. A very sad day in our history. Wasn’t Kent state the National Guard though?

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Danny's avatar

I remember. Yes it was the National Guard! I call it the Kent State Murders.

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Kay G's avatar

That’s how we were taught about it in schools. The Kent State Massacre. The protesters were unarmed. That was the key,

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Sheri's avatar

It was the National Guard

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Jill's avatar

I’m predicting less than a week, or that’s the farse behind the military parade. He’s having planes loaded with artillery on board at the parade. Tanks, Black Hawk and Apache helicopters, armored vehicles, 150 vehicles, 50 aircraft, and F-22 fighter jets, and nearly 7,000 ACTIVE MILITARY PERSONNEL.

On top of that, the parade doesn’t START until 6:30 pm EST and goes until 9:30 pm. Who in the world has a military parade AT NIGHT?? It’s not like they are light-up floats!!

I’m seriously concerned! AND NOW THIS SHIT GOING ON IN CALIFORNIA, and the unrest between Trump and Musk. I am truly afraid for my children.

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Trishatur's avatar

He quickly trying to implement an autocracy with him as dictator. The top people in the current administration subscribe to the crazy theories of Curtis Yarvin. If you don’t already know him check him out.

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Adam Stoler's avatar

and 2 nd amendment citizens returm fire

on him

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Charles's avatar

Who cares if it was national guard or ordered by the Nixon administration. Four students were killed and others maimed for life. Trump and the idiots of his administration need to feel the consequences of their stupidity.

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Muscmakermama's avatar

The rich never feel the consequences. They always find ways to pay for insulation from consequences.

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Noli Me Stulte's avatar

within hours

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Patmarshall626@gmail.com's avatar

EVERY SINGLE PARENT SIBLING FRIEND OR Significant other needs to call their son or daughter in the marines and SAY DONT DO IT !!!

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ZU's avatar

good idea 🙌

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Genevieve G's avatar

Not just unprecedented, it’s illegal.

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Erica's avatar

Would you be willing to explain how it’s illegal? I’m only asking because I genuinely don’t know!

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Carmen Lezeth's avatar

Generally, the President cannot unilaterally use the military against U.S. citizens, but there are exceptions that make the situation more complex.

Legal Restrictions on Using the Military Domestically

- Posse Comitatus Act (1878) – This law prohibits the use of the U.S. Army and Air Force (and by extension, the Navy and Marine Corps) for domestic law enforcement.

- Insurrection Act (1807) – This allows the President to deploy federal troops in cases of rebellion, insurrection, or extreme civil unrest, but it requires specific conditions.

- National Guard Exception – The President can federalize the National Guard, but when under state control, governors can deploy them for law enforcement.

Could the President Send in the Marines?

- Without Congressional Approval? – No, unless invoking the Insurrection Act.

- For Law Enforcement? – No, because of Posse Comitatus restrictions.

- During an Emergency? – Possibly, if justified under national security concerns.

While the Insurrection Act provides a legal pathway, using active-duty Marines against civilians would likely face major legal and political challenges

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Ballard Graham's avatar

Just like he used the War Powers Act to round up and deport illegal aliens, he will use the Insurrection Act to send in the Marines to fire on American citizens. We should put nothing past this felon criminal!

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ZU's avatar

right! Be aware and fight for America all the People🙌

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Mike "Pops" Dooley's avatar

Sadly, any portion of of our government is now in the hands of a Trumpf minion. The time to rise up was BEFORE he was sworn in, but we missed that opportunity.

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Carmen Lezeth's avatar

Mike, the time to rise up is NOW. We can't change the past. But we can do something today. In whatever way possible -- please do what you can. Even if it's just staying informed. Don't give up on US yet. No matter what I've been through (and mind you, I'm here in Los Angeles, scared out of my mind) I will not give up on the spirit of who we are, and who we can be. Don't give up. This is my city, my state, my country and I'm not letting it go that easily. I need your help. So, please -- don't give up.

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Mike "Pops" Dooley's avatar

Oh, Carmen, I was born in LA, too. Grew up in Sherman Oaks, and joined the Army during the last days of the Tet Offensive in Vietnam. But I avoided Vietnam by studying hard, and wound up in West Berlin, 100 miles behind the Iron Curtain. I slept every night just 400 yards from the Berlin Wall. Native Angelino, now in Texas, behind the "Pine Curtain", lol! My ammo is dry. :)

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Carmen Lezeth's avatar

Understood! And thank you. I get worried when my own people sound like they're giving up on US. Now I see I misunderstood. You were just stating facts! Yes! You are correct, the time to do right was at the ballot box, but we're here now so.. thank you. I can rest easy knowing we didn't lose someone in our ranks. 😏

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

America is closing in on a National Strike. Trump is attempting to preempt the 1400+ protests against him Saturday June 14th. His "parade" might actually be a coup in DC seizing power.

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ZU's avatar

It is a COUP! Like the playbook of NAZIS! Hitler did it. Orban Did it. and so on... But if you stand up like Singapore they will not win.

NEVER SURRENDER🇺🇸🙌🔥

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

Mitch McConnell and John Robert's 100% responsible for the destruction of American Democracy and implementation of Trump's Autocracy.

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Carmen Lezeth's avatar

100% FACT! I blame Mitch McConnell for sure. And yes John Roberts! I've been saying this FOREVER!

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ZU's avatar

They are!!!!!!

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Erica's avatar

Thank you so much for explaining this!!

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

People don't even seem to know the "Patriot Act" enacted after 911 that can simply call American's Domestic Terrorists standing up against a regime like this. ICE and "Homeland Security" so Nazi created in the same legislation.

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Carmen Lezeth's avatar

Hi Bob, my understanding is that the Patriot Act itself does not override the Posse Comitatus Act, which restricts the use of the military for domestic law enforcement. If Trump want's to use Military against US Citizens he would have to invoke the Insurrection Act, not the Patriot Act. And, for the record, I am not a lawyer or anything at all in this realm -- but this is my understanding. 😔

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

I'm not a lawyer either but I am a political news junkie pushing reality a bit. Most people have no idea what is in the Patriot Act but it has been renewed by Congress several times potentially restricting civil liberties and monitoring the population with additional draconian measures.

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Dayle Gibson's avatar

I would also like to add this: https://youtu.be/tIt9hhmH8pE?si=ces_RveDFl8ZnVTF

ABC10 spoke with a military expert

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Carmen Lezeth's avatar

In the big scheme of things, it doesn't matter what the laws are -- the Trump administration is not following any laws in most anything they are doing. If Trump were following any laws at all, he'd be in prison right now. So, this is a man and a party that is out to change everything we have all have known to be the possibilities, the dreams of what the United States can be. And it's time to start understanding that fully and completely. And however you can, find your way to fight for our country. We keep thinking the laws will save us -- they will not. Not even the Supreme Court will come in and stop this man -- it's WE THE PEOPLE or it will not be. It really is that simple.

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Gutterdandy's avatar

The cops and military are filled with Trumpist loonies though. So who will enforce laws against the regime?

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Kari's avatar

What the actual f&$k

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Frederique's avatar

Thank you for your excellent journalism. When it's hard to get news, I know I can turn to your sub stack.

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4grands's avatar

Remember when trump wanted to shoot the protesters in their legs? Who will stop him this time?

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Penny's avatar

Trump wants to create a certain drama and level of fear, I say we ruin his drama by not being bothered. If anyone goes out, just be super casual, walk around eating ice cream or something. Let all those troops mill around in their gear for nothing.

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Teryl S.'s avatar

Hegseth once again is showing his ignorance again. He needs to be removed and if he does send Marines to the Los Angeles area he should be court marshaled. This is more political baloney sauce from the rump administration.

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Ballard Graham's avatar

Trump the felon will push the envelope until he is stopped! So we should put nothing past this criminal!

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Teryl S.'s avatar

And he has an ax to grind with Gov. Newsome because the Governor doesn’t kiss his ring. Plus can you imagine how rump would love to have the 7th largest economy in THE WORLD under his thumb? Think about it.

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

Trump already has the largest economy in the world that he is destroying to create a dystopian genocidal white Christian nationalist autocracy with him as Queen.

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Cynthia A. Williams's avatar

It's the FOURTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WHOLE FRIGGING WORLD. And CA contribute 82% more to the national economy than it gets back. Gov. Newsom has Trump by the short hairs and the pig knows it. That's why he's testing the waters in CA; he's trying to make Newsom afraid of him. Rump, the schoolyard bully. But if Newsom does not cave, Fat Taco will back down. Until he sees another opportunity, or ENGINEERS one.

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alison cohen's avatar

Maybe if ICE & DHS came with warrants, IDs, badges and uncovered faces they’d be met with less scrutiny.

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Christie Y's avatar

There’s just a bunch of people milling around in LA right now!!!! This is ridiculous!!! Creating the story! The tail wagging the dog!!!

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Penny's avatar

We need to ruin the vibe trump wants. We need to ruin his narrative. He hates to be laughed at, so, I think we take back our power and start laughing

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Eileen Cleland's avatar

Where are the fucking Democrats? Where is the opposition? Where is the leadership?

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Catherine Tata's avatar

Where are the fucking Republicans! GOP Cowards have created this monster and installed these cabinet facists!

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Punkette's avatar

Tell it, sister! 👏🏼

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ZU's avatar

From Europe we ask the same thing????? Are they sold out or just COWARDS?

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Armaan Haroon's avatar

That is the most insane thing I’ve ever read. 😭💀

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Bob Seemueller's avatar

MAGA, QAnon, Tea party, Nazi, KKK, the hate is in America's DNA. America's leaders, the Governors and AG's better step up now or they are complicit in this attempted coup.

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Carl Young's avatar

The government is now threatening war against its own people welcome to Russia

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