Nobody sensible thinks that. The point is - MAGAs keep passing laws against trans people, drag queens, immigrants, POCs, while NONE of those groups is the one committing the most crimes, particularly mass shootings.
This area has had standoffs in the past. This area is very homogeneous. My question is this a single shooter? Probably not? What is the mind set that are not wanting a fire put out?
We live near Salmon, ID, that part of the N Idaho is on the southern fringe of the Aryan Nation, all the way to the Canadian border excluding Sand Point with is fairly purple. Remember the Bundy incident, these might be the type of ppl involved.
It could be a person(s) who are “anti-gov’mnt”, someone on drugs, psychotic, or if more than one person which it sounds like it could be, the persons have a dispute with firefighters from previous wildfires in the area that may have started on private land and spread to USFS or BLM land.
They could have been the individuals who started the previous fire(s) and were charged, fined and can’t pay the fine. Sometimes are i’m sure all have read it can result in thousands if not millions of dollars depending on the losses.
My husband is a Safety Officer on wildfires after working 37years as an AK Jumper. He said in his 40+ years he’s never heard of anything like this happening before. He said there will definitely be more law enforcement now on all wildfires in the West. The National Smokejumper Association just had their 85th Anniversary in Missoula, MT last weekend. They, and all wildland fire personnel, perform a job many never think of performing, structural as well as wildland.
There are also some contract crews that hire undocumented immigrants, my husband said who are some of the hardest working individuals he sees on fires, never complaining about anything. Believe us, there are things to complain about, mainly the food service in some states. We’re praying it’s two individuals we don’t know. Are they Hot Shots, local Fire dept personnel, we don’t know yet. We suggest no matter where you are donate to your local fire department- call and see if they need anything, during fire season or during a wildfire.
I asked that also. Why firefighters. I guess my imagination is getting carried away. I think of things like do they have a bunker up there if they don’t want discovered or something I don’t know that sounds crazy, but I just can’t figure out why firefighters?
There’s no way you can read minds, whatever you think. It’s all supposition. You can only wait until the investigation and if the shooter(s) decide to say, if they tell the truth and if the news gets to us.
I can read and I can write and I know better than to imagine things on absolutely no facts. I can say the same rude garbage you can because obviously your reading comprehension lacks. The point I made was not to strain your hapless brain w/o knowing facts. I did not accuse you of anything but guessing w/o knowing anything. That’s how lies and conspiracy theories start. Learn to read, crabby beech.
Wow a little defensive there. If you read my post, actually read it I said everyone should wait and see what actually happens Sorry you’re so damn insecure you have to viciously attack people
No one, no one, no one deserves this, especially our heroes, those that care for and about us. I am so deeply saddened; that doesn’t go away for me at all, just not surprised. It was merely one 20 year old boy who did that. No one at that age has a real ideology though not everyone develops one. Now we shall see his motives, but his granddad can’t even believe it!😢I am old and though I love life I am glad I am near the jumping off point. I chose 50+ years ago to not have kids in order to not add to problems in the world. The buck stopped here. When I am gone, that’ll be it for my “influence.”
Is there anything wrong with waiting until we get some facts before kinda sorta blaming a group? Remember when the plane went down in the Potomac and dumpf blamed DEI? Remember when the Rep and her husband were murdered and right away the left was blamed? When McVay killed all those kids and right away Muslims were blamed? I wanna blame MAGAts, too, but I won’t til I know. I know that there’s a lot of evil in this world disguised as holier than thou. Let’s wait for some facts first.
Because the firefighters are sitting ducks in this situation. Easy targets. Shooting people like firefighters, LEOs, EMS is a statement in itself. It is a bold choice, designed for maximum shock value.
No, I don't know whomever it is (last i heard, the shooter or shooters have not been identified). As for shock value....setting a fire to lure firemen out in order to assassinate them? Making people coming to do their jobs into human targets. The shooter or shooters wanted attention. And now they have it, as its all over the news. Shock value.
Sadly, I am not shocked. There is so very much evil in our country that I am not surprised at all! But because I am numb doesn’t mean everyone is. I am, however, deeply saddened for the firefighters and their families. Insane people full of hatred own guns aplenty and this won’t stop. Little children in school, firefighters at work, all targets.
I am honestly not surprised either, but there are many people that are still not numb. I work in EMS, this one hits home a little too close. The firefighters I work with are good people. No one deserves this. No one.
also, where a guy in a pick up flying a confederate flag drove by the Utah women’s basketball team last year shouting racial slurs, and the city didn’t prosecute him. 😡
Could be a statement. Attacking civil servants gets more attention than school shootings these days (its also summer break) and if you have an insane cause to promote; thats one way of doing it.
In my opinion, Idaho is basically Florida’s disturbed cousin, so I wouldn’t be shocked if it was something like that. Idaho is also home to a ton of gun owners and radical conservatives who don’t believe mental health is a thing. There’s just a lot of possibilities.
I live about super close to CDA and from my experience, Idaho is Florida’s disturbed quiet cousin. You cannot predict what the shooter’s agendas were based off the facts we currently have. For all we know, this was bath salts mixed with vodka and no sleep. It’s all so horrible and senseless. Breaks my heart that it happened at all.
Will paying attention to the bill change how the senate will vote on it? We all know without looking it’ll be mostly on party lines and the ultimate outcome depends on just a couple votes. How does musing about that horrific attack change how the senate will vote.
I disagree. Only the States allows ordinary citizens to own a gun. That's why it leads the world in killings with a gun! Join the dots. The regulations won't change peoples attitudes towards killing someone easily with a gun. How many deaths are you up to now? Gun owners find it easy to kill with a gun because they are cowards that can't win a fight or even settle a dispute any other way.
Just to piggyback on your comment, but why is the shooting in SLC during the “No Kings Day” protest not having a full disclosure of who (the protest volunteer), shot an innocent person, although they had been told no weapons. Additionally, 50501 removed their association from the UT chapter.
Sorry I missed that. There's always going to be someone in the crowd who, even in a peaceful protest waits for an excuse to shoot somebody, but overall those marches were PEACEFUL! Not that I condone anybody taking a gun outside of a gun club. Other countries have clubs where they can practice their prowess with a gun but they are NOT allowed to take the weapon off the premises. They sign it out and they sign it back in. No exceptions. Why can't the States adopt that rule for people who like to own gun? A person can shoot you just because you pulled into his driveway to turn around! You have guns because your nation lives in fear and your current president stokes it. Guns kill, the argument that it's the people with the gun that kills doesn't hold water. Owning a gun is a fear reflex. That's what needs correcting. The USA is getting closer to everybody owning a gun because your fear factor is rising not lessening. I doubt Americans will ever stop being living fear, it's been ingrained into you.
I'll agree to support the Second Amendment, but that's far from supporting the right to possess any firearm that someone can get their hands on. Let's get real!
Bro, it's northern Idaho. There have been folks like this up there since at lest the 70s. Survivalists, Siverign Citizens, general anti-government types. Cheering on the Branch Davidians and the like.
I have former relatives who live in Kooteni County It is “supreme white” heaven!! Has been forever. They have training camps and full on survivalist communities there. Scariest place l ever visited. It is my bet 100% someone from that misguided enclave.
Praying for the injured and those in the path of the wildfire.
Yep, this is were the center of antigovernment universe is and has been for a long time. But why ambush firefighters. My guess is they have a beef with some local ordances or regulatory activity. If these are Hot-shot Forest fire fighters killed, then this is a fight with the forest service. It ain't the first time.
Wait until they catch whoever did it before you claim it's them. You could be right but you could be wrong. Americans live with fear everyday because of your "right" to bear arms. Btw that "right", if you look at the statute was only extended to the militia not to all people.
Seriously?!? Are you a Trump Boomer? The younger gens don’t “read the papers.” I’m nearly 50. Go educate yourself with a VIDEO documentary before you speak out of your pucker hole.
Sorry that you have such a close perspective on this. It is simply sick beyond all reason, sickness and hatefulness. Reminds me of the Unabomber insanity, among others.
There are a lot of right-wingers/MAGA types in Idaho. I hate to say it but I would not be surprised if the fire was arson for the purpose of shooting first responders. People are sick.
Betcha $5 they are neither immigrants nor POC.
Or trans
Or drag queens
Why do you think Trans people would do this?
They were replying to my comment that the suspects are almost certainly straight, white, male, and “american”
And this is why we need to ban high powered guns
That is something Republicans (magas) can't
understand. Bet they would change their minds if so.eone they loved was killed.
I think they're saying trans people WOULDN'T do this. They just somehow get blamed for every bad thing.
Thank you for explaining.
The don’t. They are pointing out that trans people aren’t usually guilty of crimes yet are vilified by the right as some nefarious force.
Prayers of protection for all first responders. What a nightmare.
There was a comment betting $5 that it was not an immigrant or BIPOC and then the trans, drag queens were added to the “bet”
She is being sarcastic from the post. :-)
No one said that. The key word is "neither"
Nobody sensible thinks that. The point is - MAGAs keep passing laws against trans people, drag queens, immigrants, POCs, while NONE of those groups is the one committing the most crimes, particularly mass shootings.
I don't think that's what Karlon said..
Betcha they are hired bad actors and that the administration will claim they were immigrants to further their efforts, hate to say it
Would not put it past as something the felon or Steve Miller would love.
It's probably a christian nationalists.
A false flag orchestrated by the American government is to be expected. Nothing is beneath the current administration.
Where is ice out in that state, rn? Like, exactly where. I would love to know
They are all geared up looking like ICE. It’s scary how there is no one who looks trustworthy. Except the firefighters.
Or vigilantes
Or women
I’m pretty sure they won’t be drag queens either.
Betcha they aren't liberals, socialists, or communists!
MORE LIKE NAZIS
This area has had standoffs in the past. This area is very homogeneous. My question is this a single shooter? Probably not? What is the mind set that are not wanting a fire put out?
Facts
Especially in that area.
or drag queens
Who has beef with firefighters??? Why would anyone do this??
Thats what I was thinking..the U.S. is beginning to get so unhinged.
“Beginning to”? 😕
My thought exactly!
We are long past the point of “beginning” to get so unhinged. We’ve been there for multiple years.
Beginning?? It has been unhinged since Tramp was sworn in after the 2024 election.
No, it began back in 2017 during his first term.
( “CORE dah lane”)
Backwoods survivalists all the way to people who fly their own plane there, to a vacation home. Beautiful scenery.
THIS AMBUSH SUCKS 😡
We live near Salmon, ID, that part of the N Idaho is on the southern fringe of the Aryan Nation, all the way to the Canadian border excluding Sand Point with is fairly purple. Remember the Bundy incident, these might be the type of ppl involved.
It could be a person(s) who are “anti-gov’mnt”, someone on drugs, psychotic, or if more than one person which it sounds like it could be, the persons have a dispute with firefighters from previous wildfires in the area that may have started on private land and spread to USFS or BLM land.
They could have been the individuals who started the previous fire(s) and were charged, fined and can’t pay the fine. Sometimes are i’m sure all have read it can result in thousands if not millions of dollars depending on the losses.
My husband is a Safety Officer on wildfires after working 37years as an AK Jumper. He said in his 40+ years he’s never heard of anything like this happening before. He said there will definitely be more law enforcement now on all wildfires in the West. The National Smokejumper Association just had their 85th Anniversary in Missoula, MT last weekend. They, and all wildland fire personnel, perform a job many never think of performing, structural as well as wildland.
There are also some contract crews that hire undocumented immigrants, my husband said who are some of the hardest working individuals he sees on fires, never complaining about anything. Believe us, there are things to complain about, mainly the food service in some states. We’re praying it’s two individuals we don’t know. Are they Hot Shots, local Fire dept personnel, we don’t know yet. We suggest no matter where you are donate to your local fire department- call and see if they need anything, during fire season or during a wildfire.
I asked that also. Why firefighters. I guess my imagination is getting carried away. I think of things like do they have a bunker up there if they don’t want discovered or something I don’t know that sounds crazy, but I just can’t figure out why firefighters?
There’s no way you can read minds, whatever you think. It’s all supposition. You can only wait until the investigation and if the shooter(s) decide to say, if they tell the truth and if the news gets to us.
I never stated everything I was saying was fact. I actually said it was supposition. Learn to read
I can read and I can write and I know better than to imagine things on absolutely no facts. I can say the same rude garbage you can because obviously your reading comprehension lacks. The point I made was not to strain your hapless brain w/o knowing facts. I did not accuse you of anything but guessing w/o knowing anything. That’s how lies and conspiracy theories start. Learn to read, crabby beech.
Wow a little defensive there. If you read my post, actually read it I said everyone should wait and see what actually happens Sorry you’re so damn insecure you have to viciously attack people
No one, no one, no one deserves this, especially our heroes, those that care for and about us. I am so deeply saddened; that doesn’t go away for me at all, just not surprised. It was merely one 20 year old boy who did that. No one at that age has a real ideology though not everyone develops one. Now we shall see his motives, but his granddad can’t even believe it!😢I am old and though I love life I am glad I am near the jumping off point. I chose 50+ years ago to not have kids in order to not add to problems in the world. The buck stopped here. When I am gone, that’ll be it for my “influence.”
Assholes...
Do your history of Idaho. Very conservative nutcases living out back. That's who goes after FF and other first responders. Most likely #tRumplicans
See I don’t know that much about that area but that’s what I was wondering
Is there anything wrong with waiting until we get some facts before kinda sorta blaming a group? Remember when the plane went down in the Potomac and dumpf blamed DEI? Remember when the Rep and her husband were murdered and right away the left was blamed? When McVay killed all those kids and right away Muslims were blamed? I wanna blame MAGAts, too, but I won’t til I know. I know that there’s a lot of evil in this world disguised as holier than thou. Let’s wait for some facts first.
Not even just in schools now but at our first responders WTH I am heart broken 💔
Right!? Firemen are not the enemy! This is heartbreaking.
Because the firefighters are sitting ducks in this situation. Easy targets. Shooting people like firefighters, LEOs, EMS is a statement in itself. It is a bold choice, designed for maximum shock value.
How do you know what the motive was (shock value). Did you know him personally or something?
No, I don't know whomever it is (last i heard, the shooter or shooters have not been identified). As for shock value....setting a fire to lure firemen out in order to assassinate them? Making people coming to do their jobs into human targets. The shooter or shooters wanted attention. And now they have it, as its all over the news. Shock value.
Sadly, I am not shocked. There is so very much evil in our country that I am not surprised at all! But because I am numb doesn’t mean everyone is. I am, however, deeply saddened for the firefighters and their families. Insane people full of hatred own guns aplenty and this won’t stop. Little children in school, firefighters at work, all targets.
I am honestly not surprised either, but there are many people that are still not numb. I work in EMS, this one hits home a little too close. The firefighters I work with are good people. No one deserves this. No one.
Maybe it’s the love of fire that’s motivating the kook(s). We might find out!
This area is a hotbed of white nationalism/ supremacy. People run away from civilization to this area.
Isn't that where there was a town meeting and a woman who asked a question got physically roughed up?
also, where a guy in a pick up flying a confederate flag drove by the Utah women’s basketball team last year shouting racial slurs, and the city didn’t prosecute him. 😡
Yes it is a hit bed for militias in the US. No one is safe as the fires of hatred are stoked by the current regime.
True. Only in Idaho. Not surprised
No, could be Eastern OR or WA, they want to secede to ID. It could be any western “blue state”.
Right. Spokane has just as many hate groups and anti-government groups there and Coeur d'Alene does and they are only 36 miles apart
That was first thought
Are you saying the firefighters weren’t white?
Could be a statement. Attacking civil servants gets more attention than school shootings these days (its also summer break) and if you have an insane cause to promote; thats one way of doing it.
In my opinion, Idaho is basically Florida’s disturbed cousin, so I wouldn’t be shocked if it was something like that. Idaho is also home to a ton of gun owners and radical conservatives who don’t believe mental health is a thing. There’s just a lot of possibilities.
Thanks for saying there are many possibilities. I feel that blaming various groups with no facts is very trumpian, like blaming DEI for a plane cradh.
I live about super close to CDA and from my experience, Idaho is Florida’s disturbed quiet cousin. You cannot predict what the shooter’s agendas were based off the facts we currently have. For all we know, this was bath salts mixed with vodka and no sleep. It’s all so horrible and senseless. Breaks my heart that it happened at all.
Can you explain what you mean by Idaho being Florida’s disturbed quiet cousin?
Considering your other comments towards others, that is a negative pal.
someone who wants us discrated so we don't pay attention to the bill
Will paying attention to the bill change how the senate will vote on it? We all know without looking it’ll be mostly on party lines and the ultimate outcome depends on just a couple votes. How does musing about that horrific attack change how the senate will vote.
Worse than that - they apparently set the fire(s) in the first place. Pure evil.
Fires in our area are pretty common this time of year. But the whole thing was an ambush. Its all evil.
SERIOUSLY 😳
I think they were luring in any first responders to kill. Hoping for police or firefighters even forest service.
I know. I thought the same thing. It’s so crazy
Wtaf is wrong with this country.
Guns
A-freaking-men!!
MAGAs
Blame Republicans. They are the one's that don't believe in investing in mental health, or limitations on access to firearms. Double whammy.
There’s more HATE than LOVE!!
It’s not the country, it’s the shooter(s). Focus!
It is the shooters WITH guns. They are joined at the hip.
Well, that’s true, of course, but they wouldn’t be shooters if they had no guns. I don’t have one which keeps me from using it on my noisy neighbor!
As someone who works in local government, with firefighters, in a nearby state…this is eff’d up. What is wrong with people?!?
trump is what is wrong with people and allowing people to have guns for no reason!
It's ok to own a firearm. There just needs to be a change from the ground up on regulations.
I disagree. Only the States allows ordinary citizens to own a gun. That's why it leads the world in killings with a gun! Join the dots. The regulations won't change peoples attitudes towards killing someone easily with a gun. How many deaths are you up to now? Gun owners find it easy to kill with a gun because they are cowards that can't win a fight or even settle a dispute any other way.
Just to piggyback on your comment, but why is the shooting in SLC during the “No Kings Day” protest not having a full disclosure of who (the protest volunteer), shot an innocent person, although they had been told no weapons. Additionally, 50501 removed their association from the UT chapter.
Sorry I missed that. There's always going to be someone in the crowd who, even in a peaceful protest waits for an excuse to shoot somebody, but overall those marches were PEACEFUL! Not that I condone anybody taking a gun outside of a gun club. Other countries have clubs where they can practice their prowess with a gun but they are NOT allowed to take the weapon off the premises. They sign it out and they sign it back in. No exceptions. Why can't the States adopt that rule for people who like to own gun? A person can shoot you just because you pulled into his driveway to turn around! You have guns because your nation lives in fear and your current president stokes it. Guns kill, the argument that it's the people with the gun that kills doesn't hold water. Owning a gun is a fear reflex. That's what needs correcting. The USA is getting closer to everybody owning a gun because your fear factor is rising not lessening. I doubt Americans will ever stop being living fear, it's been ingrained into you.
I'll agree to support the Second Amendment, but that's far from supporting the right to possess any firearm that someone can get their hands on. Let's get real!
Bro, it's northern Idaho. There have been folks like this up there since at lest the 70s. Survivalists, Siverign Citizens, general anti-government types. Cheering on the Branch Davidians and the like.
I have former relatives who live in Kooteni County It is “supreme white” heaven!! Has been forever. They have training camps and full on survivalist communities there. Scariest place l ever visited. It is my bet 100% someone from that misguided enclave.
Praying for the injured and those in the path of the wildfire.
What a mess…
Yep, this is were the center of antigovernment universe is and has been for a long time. But why ambush firefighters. My guess is they have a beef with some local ordances or regulatory activity. If these are Hot-shot Forest fire fighters killed, then this is a fight with the forest service. It ain't the first time.
My thoughts precisely. I think I do detect a particular strain of white nationalism, anti government, libertarianism in this.
Are you working for trump too!
Huh?
Wait until they catch whoever did it before you claim it's them. You could be right but you could be wrong. Americans live with fear everyday because of your "right" to bear arms. Btw that "right", if you look at the statute was only extended to the militia not to all people.
I can read and I understand grammar, sir. The right to keep a bear arms is for a well regulated militia. The modern equivalent is the National Guard.
Is it me or does anyone else see this presidency ripe for a Ken Burn’s documentary?
What do you need a documentary for when you’re living in it right now !?
No for me, but future generations. Have you not watched Ken Burn’s docs on Ruby Ridge, OKC, 9/11?
True. They could just read the papers if there are gonna be papers
Seriously?!? Are you a Trump Boomer? The younger gens don’t “read the papers.” I’m nearly 50. Go educate yourself with a VIDEO documentary before you speak out of your pucker hole.
You are rude beyond disbelief a four year old in a 50 year old body And you wouldn’t know irony if it hit you in the head. Go back to Twitter.
Yes, but not while Tramp is living. Too many Tramp sycophants and dangerous!
Wtf. Firefighters are actual good guys. What kind of asshole shoots firefighters??? 😡😧
Same kind of person who shoots kids….i hope the shooters are killed on the spot.
I think killing them would make it worse.
I am supposing that the shooter(s) may have wanted the area in question to burn. I'll even go so far as to guess the fire could be arson.
That was my exact thought is that said shooter(s) started this and got pissed the first responders were doing their jobs.
Drug factories maybe which caused the fire?
This is in my area and I am infuriated! My son is a firefighter and I am so glad this didn’t happen in my town. Wtf is wrong with people??!!
Sorry that you have such a close perspective on this. It is simply sick beyond all reason, sickness and hatefulness. Reminds me of the Unabomber insanity, among others.
😮😮😢😢😢
I’ll wager the shooter is not an undocumented immigrant. Most likely a Yte Trumper.
All the farming where you might find undocumented immigrants is way further south in Idaho. Coeur D'Alene is a heavily forested resort town.
Terrorism.
or
Someone who wants us to disregard so we ignore the bill
Would not be surprised in the leas to discover that the ghoul SMiller isn't behind it... he'll be blaming immigrants in 3.. 2.. 1..
Thank you Aaron 💙 It is heartbreaking someone would do this to firefighters 💔 I am praying for them and their families 🙏🏽
This is not too far from me in Oregon. Historically the area is a hot bed for white supremacy movements.
Yeah, think of Ammon Bundy.
Ruby Ridge…
That was the first thing I thought of when I heard of this.
Idaho is scary. Lots of Sovereign Citizens and right wing militias. Especially there. Heaven help us. Bless our first responders.
Thank you for informing us but also make sure you take care of yourself too.
Like why??? This world gets scarier and scarier!!
There are a lot of right-wingers/MAGA types in Idaho. I hate to say it but I would not be surprised if the fire was arson for the purpose of shooting first responders. People are sick.
I concur. Either there's something they hoped to burn or they intended a shooting from the get go
OR someone who wants us distracted so we ignore the bill
That’s what LE is reporting. It was a fire started as an ambush.
That is exactly what it is!
Horrific news. Thinking of the families. 💔🙏🏼
Try not to let this send you into a spiral. I know, it's so very hard.
This is sickening.