The thing that sucks is that it’s criminal contempt. I bet Trump is going to flex the whole “Well SCOTUS gave the president immunity from crimes” when they relate to “official business”, and then he’ll call the deportations “official business”.
That’s fine. Bondi as the AG is the chief law enforcement official. She is ultimately responsible for all actions that violate the law. Hold her in criminal contempt and lock her up.
I’m hoping for the best, maybe they’ll be able to say it wasnt official business or something.
Im also not sure if it could apply here; however, a civil contempt case can’t be stopped by a pardon, and a civil contempt case would give the courts the ability to deputize people outside of the executive branch branch if they refuse to enforce the rulings
If he had already been instructed to 'turn the planes around and bring them back' as happened and he defied that order, then he was no longer conducting presidential business, but actually thwarting the law he had vowed to uphold.
Never gonna happen! Money talks and BS walks....how many were PAID? Example: Musk paid approximately 280 mil $ for Donald the child rapist to be elected.
I don't see how it could be argued that it wasn't official business - SCOTUS had REALLY shot themselves in the foot with that one. So... unless somebody files a quickie case opposing the immunity, and SCOTUS picks it out of the pool and rules on it to revoke it - I don't see how they can get around this. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about what can or cannot be done here. So, if you have additional info or resources, please share - I want to know!
Well.... but, technically speaking, isn't he the culprit? Of course, you are right - there ARE intermediaries, absolutely. And yeah - if we NEVER have to see Miller in public doing anything ever again, that can't be soon enough. But it's Trump's policies that are causing all this. The insurrection act, the martial law he threatens to invoke, etc.
I am reminded of the line from "The fifth element", "The mangalores won't fight without a leader." The MAGA crowd won't magically disappear without their leader - but I have a feeling it will lose some steam. AND some GOP lawmakers will suddenly find their balls and come out with, "Who knew it was going to get so bad, etc.?" Vance is scum, but he doesn't have the same elevated status as Trump.
We have risen up. Protested - in person and virtually, written letters, called, participated in town halls, etc. What happened? Nothing. Trump said we were paid to protest. His rankings are tanking - he doesn't care, he says it's all "Fake" and "rigged".
Here is the problem. This man and his cronies literally do not react to any form of resistance unless it is palpable to them, because they are deeply selfish. As I mentioned in a comment on another post if, for example, the entire White House staff, including the president's Secret Service detail, up and left. And they couldn't hire anyone else - THAT would get his attention.
If, through clever use of "administrative error", Elon Musk woke up one morning to discover all proof of his legal status in the United States was gone.
If GOP lawmakers came to their offices and discovered they had no staff, and all of their computers and phones have been disabled.
Honestly, I am despairing trying to find legal, non-violent forms of resistance beyond what we are already doing to the best of our ability.
Right? Like, hackers of the world - unite for the cause of justice! Redeem yourselves! Do something to atone for when you tried to crash United Airlines computers.
Heck, bring on some of my fellow Ukrainians - they are EXPERTS at hacking Russian systems at this point. They could probably give lectures on the subject. I deeply regret that I am not one.
A simple solution would be to freeze and seize ALL assets and revoke passports of Trump and Musk so they can't leave the country and evade justice. They can't buy, kill, or evade justice. Maybe the cowards of the Rethuglican party will wake the f'k up and know they are next!
News said they'll have to go through the right process. Appeal then it may go back to the Supreme Court and the Decision has to be clarified instead of the facilitate word. They need to bring all those people back that were on those 2 planes cause they refused to follow orders. This administration is out of hand. Supreme Court needs to do the right thing and revoke trump's power. People are going to end up dead.
LOL! the Supreme Court justices have been PAID OFF!!!!!!! Why do you think no one is held accountable? How do you think Musk and Trump can get away with human trafficking?
Oh, without law and order how will these laws be enforced? there is no law and order in the USA. That ship sailed once MuskRat paid for the presidencey.
You are correct, however EVERYONE around him and beneath him are complicit and guilty enough for impeachment and jail time! Without his cronies to lie and push his narrative, and tell him what to think and say....he will be rudderless
Yes, something definitely needs to come of this, and it needs to be good. Because if the rule of law fails, the implications for our country could be dire, potentially meaning we will effectively be in an authoritarian state, considering the suppression of rights, arbitrary actions, and undermining of legal processes.
Sometimes it seems as if bad things just have a way of happening to public leaders who try to limit the damage caused by the most egregious anti-American and anti-democracy members of the modern-American version of what is now inaccurately labeled as “conservatism”. (I do, however, apologize for the length and structure of the preceding sentence. I didn’t have enough time to write a short, pithy one.)
See everyone seems to have forgotten who ALL THESE BASTARDS work for. WE THE PEOPLE. THATS who every single one of us of them work for. Including that Mango Muffin Jerkov destroyer of OUR NATION. Is every man in this country a nutless wonder? Is it going to take an old 66yr old crippled woman to slap some sense into some grown ass men?
I just a hand full of Democrats had stepped up when Diaper Don started his crap then it wouldn’t have gotten this for. If someone had demanded a recount. NO ONE GETS ALL 7 SWING STATES. ….and we babble about MAGA being stupid.
Grow a damn pair. Stop waiting for someone to hold your hand. Hegseth is a drunk, Musk is a junkie, Trump is on gawd knows what, Vance is face down in a sofa somewhere with an eyeliner pencil stuck up his ass and I have no words for Johnson he’s just a freak. We can beat them. The military won’t fire on their own people. The French military didn’t. Maybe we need to come Macron.
It means, and someone please correct me if I’m incorrect, that once found guilty they would be subject to fines or imprisonment. The judge would want the entire list of people involved because they all would be charged for their involvement.
Exactly my thoughts/worries. Even if Bondi and whomever else is found guilty, Trump will just pardon them. It just seems our hands are tied in so many ways.
I really hope something comes of this.
The thing that sucks is that it’s criminal contempt. I bet Trump is going to flex the whole “Well SCOTUS gave the president immunity from crimes” when they relate to “official business”, and then he’ll call the deportations “official business”.
That’s fine. Bondi as the AG is the chief law enforcement official. She is ultimately responsible for all actions that violate the law. Hold her in criminal contempt and lock her up.
This📌
Yep. Thats what he will do
I am worried about it too.
I’m hoping for the best, maybe they’ll be able to say it wasnt official business or something.
Im also not sure if it could apply here; however, a civil contempt case can’t be stopped by a pardon, and a civil contempt case would give the courts the ability to deputize people outside of the executive branch branch if they refuse to enforce the rulings
If he had already been instructed to 'turn the planes around and bring them back' as happened and he defied that order, then he was no longer conducting presidential business, but actually thwarting the law he had vowed to uphold.
Oh that is an awesome way to think about it. Hopefully thats exactly what they shut him down with whenever he tries to claim immunity.
Never gonna happen! Money talks and BS walks....how many were PAID? Example: Musk paid approximately 280 mil $ for Donald the child rapist to be elected.
I don't see how it could be argued that it wasn't official business - SCOTUS had REALLY shot themselves in the foot with that one. So... unless somebody files a quickie case opposing the immunity, and SCOTUS picks it out of the pool and rules on it to revoke it - I don't see how they can get around this. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about what can or cannot be done here. So, if you have additional info or resources, please share - I want to know!
Well.... but, technically speaking, isn't he the culprit? Of course, you are right - there ARE intermediaries, absolutely. And yeah - if we NEVER have to see Miller in public doing anything ever again, that can't be soon enough. But it's Trump's policies that are causing all this. The insurrection act, the martial law he threatens to invoke, etc.
I am reminded of the line from "The fifth element", "The mangalores won't fight without a leader." The MAGA crowd won't magically disappear without their leader - but I have a feeling it will lose some steam. AND some GOP lawmakers will suddenly find their balls and come out with, "Who knew it was going to get so bad, etc.?" Vance is scum, but he doesn't have the same elevated status as Trump.
So is Bondi the whore of Satan and Mike Johnson the sexual predator.
Oh, and yet no one is enforcing the laws! There is no law and order left!
My thoughts exactly. If the second tier or who ever is pushing unlawful maneuvers they need to be held accountable. Let Donald stay
but if you help a criminal you are guilty by association.
My grandmother always said "tell me who you are with and I will tell you who you are".
We have risen up. Protested - in person and virtually, written letters, called, participated in town halls, etc. What happened? Nothing. Trump said we were paid to protest. His rankings are tanking - he doesn't care, he says it's all "Fake" and "rigged".
Here is the problem. This man and his cronies literally do not react to any form of resistance unless it is palpable to them, because they are deeply selfish. As I mentioned in a comment on another post if, for example, the entire White House staff, including the president's Secret Service detail, up and left. And they couldn't hire anyone else - THAT would get his attention.
If, through clever use of "administrative error", Elon Musk woke up one morning to discover all proof of his legal status in the United States was gone.
If GOP lawmakers came to their offices and discovered they had no staff, and all of their computers and phones have been disabled.
Honestly, I am despairing trying to find legal, non-violent forms of resistance beyond what we are already doing to the best of our ability.
I’ve been wondering where all the government hating hackers are!🤷🏻♀️ Why aren’t they out there doing stuff like this?
Right? Like, hackers of the world - unite for the cause of justice! Redeem yourselves! Do something to atone for when you tried to crash United Airlines computers.
Heck, bring on some of my fellow Ukrainians - they are EXPERTS at hacking Russian systems at this point. They could probably give lectures on the subject. I deeply regret that I am not one.
These are the government hating hackers. Our government is now being run, and being DOGE'd by, government hating people.
I'm sure there are hackers out there who are better than the ones Musk has. Leave no footprints and turn it around on them.
I love that!
A simple solution would be to freeze and seize ALL assets and revoke passports of Trump and Musk so they can't leave the country and evade justice. They can't buy, kill, or evade justice. Maybe the cowards of the Rethuglican party will wake the f'k up and know they are next!
News said they'll have to go through the right process. Appeal then it may go back to the Supreme Court and the Decision has to be clarified instead of the facilitate word. They need to bring all those people back that were on those 2 planes cause they refused to follow orders. This administration is out of hand. Supreme Court needs to do the right thing and revoke trump's power. People are going to end up dead.
Question? Who authorized Trump to send them to El Salvador in the first place? Could he do this without act of Congress?
Yeah, Musk's $, our tax dollars. ICE is corrupt at this point and hanging onto their f'king shit jobs! These are crimes against the people.
LOL! the Supreme Court justices have been PAID OFF!!!!!!! Why do you think no one is held accountable? How do you think Musk and Trump can get away with human trafficking?
He isn’t personally liable
Crimes can’t be overtly committed
There’s the obvious distinction
Intellectual dishonesty and willful ignorance isn’t a defense
Thanks to SCOTUS he may currently be " immune" but EVERYONE around and under him are complicit and jailable.
Oh, without law and order how will these laws be enforced? there is no law and order in the USA. That ship sailed once MuskRat paid for the presidencey.
That’s exactly what I was thinking!!!
Unfortunately from experience
I doubt anything will happen, his people will do what theh are good at threatening judges
Sadly he probably will not be held accountable.
Have to pray and think positively that something good will happen for once.
You are correct, however EVERYONE around him and beneath him are complicit and guilty enough for impeachment and jail time! Without his cronies to lie and push his narrative, and tell him what to think and say....he will be rudderless
100% true!
He's the devil
I accept the spirit of your point Carla! however pigs are intelligent community-focussed animals. So best not to insult pigs likening them to Trump.
Apologies- Darla :-)
Yes, but who will enforce the laws? I don't see any law and order. I only see crimes against the people of the USA.
We would have to enforce them one way or another. It has to be done or we will be done.
Yes, something definitely needs to come of this, and it needs to be good. Because if the rule of law fails, the implications for our country could be dire, potentially meaning we will effectively be in an authoritarian state, considering the suppression of rights, arbitrary actions, and undermining of legal processes.
I do too!
This is it, if nothing comes of it, then we will know how screwed we really will be.
LOCK HIS ASS UP! 😂
They're out there collecting charges like Pokémon 😅
yes…
there’s certainly enough blatant evidence to ‘lock him up’ and many others with him…
Happy birthday aaron!!
Judge Boasberg has just become a modern-day hero for standing up to our neo-fascist and dictator-wannabe, Donald Trump.
I hope he stays safe
Sometimes it seems as if bad things just have a way of happening to public leaders who try to limit the damage caused by the most egregious anti-American and anti-democracy members of the modern-American version of what is now inaccurately labeled as “conservatism”. (I do, however, apologize for the length and structure of the preceding sentence. I didn’t have enough time to write a short, pithy one.)
Do it. Get the Federal Marshalls after all of them. NOW!!!
Problem with that is Federal Marshalls work for Trump as part of the DOJ.
See everyone seems to have forgotten who ALL THESE BASTARDS work for. WE THE PEOPLE. THATS who every single one of us of them work for. Including that Mango Muffin Jerkov destroyer of OUR NATION. Is every man in this country a nutless wonder? Is it going to take an old 66yr old crippled woman to slap some sense into some grown ass men?
I just a hand full of Democrats had stepped up when Diaper Don started his crap then it wouldn’t have gotten this for. If someone had demanded a recount. NO ONE GETS ALL 7 SWING STATES. ….and we babble about MAGA being stupid.
Grow a damn pair. Stop waiting for someone to hold your hand. Hegseth is a drunk, Musk is a junkie, Trump is on gawd knows what, Vance is face down in a sofa somewhere with an eyeliner pencil stuck up his ass and I have no words for Johnson he’s just a freak. We can beat them. The military won’t fire on their own people. The French military didn’t. Maybe we need to come Macron.
I agree. Now I saw this article about Vance backing up his comments too cause he is taking just as much fire
🎶 WHEN THE DEVIL SAYS NOOOOOOO, GOD SAYS YESSSSSSSSSSSSS🎶
*black grandma church dancing ensues*
(I have been an atheist for my entire life, but I know my great grandma is tearing it UP right now in the clouds)
Yes Lord! 👏 🙌 🙏
You just gave me a happy cackle!
I’m sorry but this means absolutely nothing until we the people see REAL action and punishment, the clock is ticking and getting louder and LOUDER!
Thank goodness. Hopefully this case can be used as a catalyst for the Supreme Court to reverse Trump immunity.
That's truly what we need Supreme Court to reverse their precedent. We cannot hide behind the law anymore with this above it and beyond it stuff
Let’s goooooooo
It means, and someone please correct me if I’m incorrect, that once found guilty they would be subject to fines or imprisonment. The judge would want the entire list of people involved because they all would be charged for their involvement.
I pray this is what happens....
And WE alll stand on the streets of the courthouse! Put that pressure on the Judge!
This is great news! But what about immunity??
Trump has immunity. Administration officials do not.
Trump will pardon them
Then what about presidential pardons?
Exactly my thoughts/worries. Even if Bondi and whomever else is found guilty, Trump will just pardon them. It just seems our hands are tied in so many ways.
He doesn’t have full immunity 😉
I'm damn near giddy about this!!
That’s right! I forgot about that. He can be prosecuted.
Cool, who enforces it?
It would require a combined governmental effort.
*scoff*
Happy Birthday Aaron!
Put Pam Bondi and Tim Holman in Jail for contempt and see how fast they react!
Seriously, HAPPY FREAKING BIRTHDAY Aaron!
So what does that mean?